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Flash CS4 really really sucks.

Posted by Kajenx - November 20th, 2008

EDIT: Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'd like to preface this with a RANT WARNING, lol. I'm still mad, but in more of a smoldering sort of way, and I'll begrudgingly admit that the new tween tool is a real improvement (but look, they left the classic tween option in there! What a concept!). But that's all you get, Adobe! Better tweens don't make up for burning my soul with your hellfire of evil! Okay, now read on. :3

Well, I was hoping I would be able to recall my hatred for Adobe as a company with this new release of Flash, but instead they've destroyed any hope of reconciliation.

I'll keep this short and sweet.

First of all, WHAT THE HELL were they thinking in making such a huge change to the properties window without offering the option to revert back to the old style? I work on a tiny 12" tablet PC, I don't have room for a monstrous properties window. It was just fine on the bottom of the screen. Now I have to leave it floating around if I want any hope of seeing a stage that's bigger than a postage stamp.

EDIT: And no, I'm not going to stick it into its button format. You try that with your properties menu and see how annoying it is to open it every 2 seconds just to see the name of a frame or change the color of something.

Next, they decided to turn the stage into a flash movie that's ALWAYS RUNNING, and there's no option to turn it off. Who came up with this profoundly stupid idea? If I want to see how my movie looks, I'll test it. If this "feature" ran smoothly I wouldn't mind, but there's always lag.

The sad thing is, aside from adding some eye candy, like 3D effects, Flash CS4 is nothing new. I bought it because I wanted to use the new vector class in AS3, but it seems like I have to sacrifice usability to do this.

Here's an idea, Adobe, why don't you fix your buggy/laggy interfaces, craptacular scripting tools, and make some significant improvements in the drawing tools, rather than slapping a few new eye candy features onto Flash 8 every few years.

I had high hopes for CS4, but instead of delivering, Adobe decided to kick me in the balls and laugh.

P.S. If you know of any way to fix the problems I'm having, I would really appreciate it.

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Roaltyx

Some of the reasons I hate adobe

rtil

why does your properties window have to be 'floating around'? you do know you can put everything in icon-size toolbars and call it up whenever you like, right?

also, i don't know what you mean when you say the stage has turned into a flash movie that's always running, it works just the same for me.

this is same old shit people were complaining about in cs3. if anyone would take the time to actually go over the new features and learn how to utilize the program properly you'd learn how to appreciate it.

cs4 is a HUGE improvement from cs3. i suppose it will just take everyone a good year or two to actually figure that out.

Kajenx (Updated )

I don't want to open the properties window every time I need to use it. For a color menu or something, that's fine, but for something as essential as the properties inspector, which I look at every few seconds when working on the stage, it's not an option, and docking it anywhere takes up a huge amount of space.

Secondly, there's a new runtime feature built into the stage where it runs as a flash player. On a computer with lots of memory this probably isn't a problem, but for me it is (along with people on a few threads who seem to have the same problem).

Every review I've read about CS4 seems to be singing it's praises, so I think this proverbial "everyone" you're talking about already assumes it's a huge improvement. But honestly, there's nothing new you can do in CS4 besides a few graphic tricks, and as someone who spends more time in the AS window than on the stage, I feel like I was ripped off.

Magical-Mark

Okay I've not worked in flash with my tablet for some time (thus not drawing therefore not caring about properties) BUT isn't pressing F4 still an universal stuff remover so that you only see the stage and the timeline?

I figure that CS4 is an improvement you guys just need to see it. (also damn it is expensive!)

Kajenx

It's a matter of principal. They removed functionality rather than adding it. I don't call that an upgrade.

Dazmi

Lag is normally due to your computer rather than the program. If you don't want lag, get rid of your crappy PC.

I understand about a big properties window though. you can put everything in icon-size toolbars and call it up whenever you like. It's common sense.

I don't know what you mean when you say the stage has turned into a flash movie that's always running.

Besides those small things you mentioned, I can't really say anything based upon what you said because...well, they don't SOUND like the programs fault.
maybe if you went over the program a little more, maybe I can make an assumption on it. For now, there's no way for me of knowing.

Kajenx

See my response to rtil.

RubberNinja

You can set the layout to classic in the window presets.

Kajenx

The only "classic" setting I've seen still forces me to use a vertical properties window. Can you point me to what you mean?

Zackie

O.o! Crap, i already got a CS4 but i haven't tired it yet.

If CS4 sucks, what other progran would you recommend for animating?

Kajenx

As long as you have a fast computer and a big screen you're fine. If you don't, then you're screwed, like me...

Slintas

@ Zackie

Toon Boom studio or Toon Boom Animate. They are expensive programs but it's worth it.

ZekeySpaceyLizard

vaginas lol

Kajenx

Exactly!

D-SuN

or get a better computer. CS4 dosent lag for me. Though I do agree with the properties.

Maominiart

Yeah, I know what you mean. That was look amazing, but it's really-really sucks in many ways. For now I just waiting for CS5. ^.~

wynand

I havn't had a play round with it yet, but there are lot of cool new animation features which i really wanna have a fidle with. Flash has always changed, you'll get use to it, i hated learning to reuse flash 8 not to long ago but now i love it. It'l just take some getting use to, and before long you'll see that this flash really kicks ass. If you don't like it dwindle with flash 8. I'm asuming you bought it? otherwise you have no reason to complain lol. but yeah you'll get use to it =) enjoy

Kajenx

I've used every version of flash after MX. Flash 8 was the best. It was also the last Macromedia flash. RIP Macromedia...

cantflyman

Should I buy it if I don't have a version of flash yet, or should I try and find an old version of CS3?

JonBro

Both Adobe Flash releases basically ruined Flash.
I still use Macromedia Flash 8. That one and Pro 2004 are my favorites.

warrat

flash cs4 is inmature needed to devolp

ChromeShark

I tried it for about 5 minutes and gave up too, mostly because the properties window was bugging me too (and I'm on 20" so cant blame monitor size).

After watching this though: <a href="http://www.gotoandlearn.com/play?id=87">http://www.gotoandlearn.com/play?id=8 7</a>, I'm tempted to go back and try to get used to it. The tween control looks pretty tight.

magumanu

I agree.
I COULD get cs3 or cs4 if I wanted to but ever since Adobe took over flash it became a huge load of $h*t.
thats why I use good old flash 8 pro, and its neer failed me.
In my opinion, adobe should stick with Macromedias original plan:
Simple + Easy = Awsome!

jmtb02

<a href="http://dearadobe.com/">http://dearadobe.com/</a>

Kajenx

That website made me angry, because most of it's true... They shouldn't focus on stability for CS5, though, they should offer a free patch to early adopters with all of the fixes.

NhollowWearthO

Better than having a 6 year laptop, ancient ass flash and audiocity. Basically just enough to want to jump out a window.

PolishMatt

Pirated it. Didn't like it. Uninstalled it. At least download the trial before shelling out the 600$ or so on the program and realizing an hour into it that you don't need anything in it/hate it a lot. CS3 is perfect in my opinion, and that was a legitimate improvement from Flash 8.

Kajenx

I only spent $100 on an upgrade. So not a total loss...

FightingSeraph

I won't be upgrading from MX anytime soon, and why couldn't Adobe leave Macromedia alone. (Corel > Adobe)

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